pis drinking

[actionboy]

hi
i have been invited to a piss night at a well known londond pub how dangerious is the practice of drinkng piss especially as you will probably not know the person or to a degree the last couple of people it has passsed through as it would seem that anyparticular pint will pass through several people during the eving

[crotchshaver]

Drinking one's own piss is not dangerous under any circumstance you'll encounter in your stated adventure. When you drink others' piss, you are particularly at risk for absorbing whatever chemicals they've ingested recently. As far as the infection issue goes, well, it's no riskier than barebacking with the guy.

[AtlantaB]

Well to be honest I thought it was considerable less risky than barebacking.
I understood (of course I may be wrong) that there is very little risk of HIV infection from piss. I don't know what the hepatitis risk is. There is a risk from metabolites. Just think of all those Laps drinking the shaman's pee. About 50% of the ecstasy a person ingests is passed out unchanged in the pee.
Have messy fun!

[leonicdragon]

What about STIs? Can you get gonorrhea/chlamydia or anything else by drinking urine? What about "spitting instead of swallowing?

also, if someone has recently been tripping on Amanita muscaria, the ibotenic acid can go through 5 people before it is all converted into muscimol. So if you drink someone's piss and they've drank someone's piss that contained ibotenic acid, then YOU will trip as well! Enjoy the trip guys lol

[furryman]

Most drugs are passed on in urine (including harmones), as well as many vitamins like the B group.
It is important to note that it is common for pissers "cast off" red blood cells in urine because of mild trauma like sounding, hard exercise, etc. It's never enough to be seen, but they are there.
Some people always cast off red blood cells every time they piss. I'm one of those :frown: so I have to be extra vigilant playing safe & testing for HIV for my WS subs' safety.

[leonicdragon]

Wow! that's very interesting. So is it risky even if you don't swallow?

[hrybfyblnd]

I think you guys are confused. Urine is strerile and can be used as an antistrengent and give that saliva is fairly toxic to hiv I fail to see the concern with hiv in particular. now there may be other considerations. search google for is urine sterile.

[AtlantaB]

Yep, wikipedia confirms that urine is sterile. The ammonia kills any infections off.

[crotchshaver]

Urine is only sterile to the person it came from. To others it can pass on recreational chemicals, which can get the drinker high. It can also contain red blood cells, which COULD pass on infectious diseases to a drinker. From what I've read, the risk of passing Hepatitis is significantly higher than that of passing HIV. That's why I carefully worded it the way I did: Drinking piss is NO RISKIER than barebacking.

[furryman]

Let me begin by saying I have enjoyed all my WS experiences, but I entered into them with a well-informed decision based on research from medical sources.

I must concur with Crotchshaver, the CDC and most HIV orgs consider piss unsafe. The CDC does seem to be more concerned with Hepatitis and parasites than HIV in urine. At least that's the impression I got when I was there last fall.

Can you get HIV from urine? There are cases of urophagia practitioners contacting HIV that support this possibility. There is even a test for HIV that uses urine. More important than this is the condition of your mouth. Do you have cavities or bad dental work? Is your mouth 100% free of cuts & scratches caused by floss, hard toothbrushes, cheek biting, & Captain Crunch?

Also, don't forget that most chemicals, drugs, artificial sweeteners, & diet supplements (vitamins) pass out of the body via urine. Of course, with proper planning this part can be considered a bonus. :wink:

As to Wikipedia, here are other quotes from it, "The urethra contains bacteria", and "Urine of persons who are ill may pose a risk to others".
Don't forget that Wiki is user submitted and not fully fact checked. I have a friend, an expert in his field actually, who has a paper misquoted by Wiki & & they have yet to correct it or allow him to even though he has sent multiple copies of the original journal pointing out the misquote. My personal opinion is that Wiki should be my starting point, not my ending point.

Armed with all this knowledge, I have made the decision to enjoy WS in as many aspects as possible but only my own piss is allowed in my mouth. I also warn those who receive my piss, that although I continue to test neg., I cast off unseen red cells in my piss every day, which my Dr.s consider normal for me.

[AtlantaB]

Well, I certainly don't want to encourage anybody into a false sense of security, so we better assume that there is at least a degree of risk from urine.
As for the friend whose paper has been misquoted: all he has to do is to register with Wikipedia and correct the mistakes himself.
Wikipedia has over 3 million articles and a relatively tiny number of administrators. These persons are primarily concerned with vandalism and consistent usage. It's really up to individuals to improve the standard of the articles on offer.

[hrybfyblnd]

In my post suggesting a quick search regarding urine being sterile. I didn't mean to imply that there were no risks. However, while drinking piss maybe considered unsafe. I have trouble equating the risk with HIV infection. Yes, drugs pass through. Yes other STI's may be passed.

However, HIV is a very delicate virus that requires a very certain set of conditions to be passed. My personal opinion is that if your a heathy person ie: no ulcers, no bleeding gums, didn't just brush your teeth right before you head to the tap. Your risk of contracting HIV are not as high as taking a hot load(s) of pos/non-pos cum up your ass or for that matter taking hot load(s) of pos/non-pos cum down your throat.

Since I treat any stranger(s) as if they are pos I always play within what boundry's I feel are safer. Know your limits and play safer to your standards. Stay informed and ask questions. We all learn by information exchange. Peace

[GuyInBalt]

Hey guys, I found this on the web which is written by a doctor.....


Ask the Doctor of Perversity
by Beth Brown, MD

From Issue 3.2 - December 1996/January 1997


Just How Safe is Piss Play?


Sex is inherently wet, wet in all its aspects. Arousal means oozing, slippery vaginal juices, shiny drops of precum, saliva on lips and tongue.

Some people like their sex to be more than a little wet. Watersports aficionados sometimes prefer their favorite wetness, piss, to be measurable in quarts, not drops. Besides volume, urine fetishists may admire its taste, color, and odor. It feels nice coming out, and those who enjoy drinking it think it feels nice going in, too. Some piss players enjoy marking or being marked with this product of the body, a sign of possession, dominance, or submission.

All these are aesthetic considerations, and thus not valid grounds for controversy. However, the safety of piss play is addressable on scientific grounds, and so is a much different aspect of watersports. Splash Alan writes in "The Tao of Urine" that urine is safe because it cannot transmit HIV. There are two premises here which should be discussed separately: 1) can urine transmit HIV? and 2) is the ability to transmit HIV the only aspect of safety?

In the age of AIDS, it is easy to forget the other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) which used to be around and haven't gone anywhere. Urine is theoretically sterile in persons free of all infections. For those of us who do not live in a bubble, however, viruses, bacteria, and fungi are secreted in the urine of infected persons, and can indeed cause disease.

Piss Is Not Sterile
Hepatitis B can be found in the urine of infected persons, even those without symptoms. While drinking piss is unlikely to cause infection, golden showers onto areas of broken skin can cause passage of hepatitis B into the blood stream. Before you play, wipe an area of skin with alcohol. Does it sting? If so, there's a small skin break through which viruses could travel. Cytomegalovirus (CMV) is a very common virus which can cause an acute flu-like illness and may be passed intermittently in the urine, sometimes for years. It is the same virus which causes blindness and other serious illnesses in people with AIDS. This may be transmissible by drinking infected piss.

People with genital herpes may intermittently pass herpesvirus in the urine, whether or not they are having an outbreak and whether or not they know they are infected. A piss bottom who is pissed on with herpes-containing urine could become infected via a skin wound, developing a lesion called herpes gladiatorum. This can come back over and over and over, just like genital herpes or a cold sore.

Chlamydia is a bacterium which causes what used to be known as nonspecific urethritis or nongonococcal cervicitis. Chlamydia is the most common STD in the U.S. Both chlamydia and gonorrhea may be found in the urine of infected people, and drinking their urine could theoretically cause these infections in the throat, although I am unaware of any documented cases. I imagine an undocumented case would be just as annoying as a documented one, so caution is warranted.

Of particular importance for those who are HIV positive are fungal infections that can be transmitted in the urine which may cause major infections in people with AIDS. These include histoplasmosis, blastomycosis, and coccidiomycosis (valley fever). All three can be a major pain in the ass to get rid of, and in a person with severe immunosuppression can be life-threatening.

There is no evidence of HIV ever being transmitted through urine. The evidence of HIV showing up in urine at all is, to my knowledge, inconclusive. However, HIV does concentrate in semen, vaginal fluids and some types of white blood cells. Anyone with an STD or a urinary tract infection may have white blood cells in their urine, and thus might theoretically be able to transmit HIV. Is it possible to catch HIV from golden showers or from drinking piss? Probably not, but your mileage may vary.

Some medications or recreational drugs taken by a piss top may end up in anyone drinking their piss. Some drugs don't end up in urine at all. Some are excreted by the kidneys only after being inactivated. However, some are passed in the urine either in their original form or a more active form. For specific information on legal drugs, you can ask a health care professional or look it up in a book such as the Physician's Desk Reference under the heading "route of excretion." Illegal substances are harder to look up, and run the risk of showing up in the bottom's urine later on, perhaps during a drug test at work.

Choose Your Risks
Is playing with piss too dangerous? Not necessarily. Like any other sexual behavior, each of us must make our own decision about how much risk we care to take. The more information we have about ourselves and those we play with, the easier it is to make intelligent decisions about our own safety. Like any other sexual behavior, honesty and trust are essential to piss play -- even more important than drinking plenty of liquid.

Beth Brown, MD (DoctorBeth[AT]aol.com) is a Bay Area family physician. She is a contributor to The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual (Pat Califia, editor; Alyson Press, 1988). Please send questions that you would like her to address in future issues to DoctorBeth[AT]aol.com.

[AtlantaB]

Well that seems to give a balanced view. Thanx.

[GuyInBalt]

Glad to be of help to everyone! Play safe and live long!

[furryman]

Thanks GuyInBalt, that's exactly the expert's article I was looking for on previous research. It's definitely going in my list.

Hrybfyblnd said, "Since I treat any stranger(s) as if they are pos I always play within what boundry's I feel are safer" and that is exactly how I have behaved since the early 80's.

Since I am a part of the <5% of men who always have unseen red blood cells in my urine for no known reason, I inform my playmates of the posibility of white cells, etc in my urine [AT] same time. I tell them when my last neg results were as well & let them make their own decisions about my risk to them.

For me and risk assesments to myself, I consider piss to be much riskier than cum for non-HIV infections. This doesn't mean I don't enjoy WS as often as I can, just like sucking cock.

The mates I don't understand are those that want piss & cum in their mouth, but refuse to swallow because they think it's riskier. Almost all STD transmissions would happen in mouth rather than throat or stomach from either.

P.S. Of all the forums I suscribe to, I find GayFisters the most open, welcoming, and co-respectful. Thanks to all of you for making this such a fantastic site.

[Hagur]

Agree, urine izs a good and natural lubricant; but, also chat does it very well, though not everybody appreciated the kind of lubricant. I would say, only in certain circumstances, and NOT with everybody. "Piss" is in reality the start.

[Hagur]

Sorry, I meant "skat", not chat. A very dark and dull day of here, and did not seen what i wrote very well.

[barrowboys]

I am a piss drinker and although i know the pitfals i really turn a blind eye to them , I enjoy what i do but most of all i try to drink it from the sourse , That is I hold the dick in my mouth and try not to spill any.TRY IT its wonderful.