Best lube for anal fisting?

[Excalibur]

I am fairly new to fisting, but really enjoy it, I can handle a hand to just passed the knuckle, but I want to take more.

I think some of the problem is the Lube I use which is KY Jelly, its seems ok but does seems to run out and need constant reapplying.

Can you experts please tell me what is the best to use and where I can buy it online, preferably from a UK source, but any where will do aslong as its mail order.

Many Thanks

[holeplay]

Try J-Lube from specialist shops and/or aqueous cream from boots or superdrug. The two seem OK as a recipe in liquid form or as ice cubes :-)

[jimatherton]

Hi. Which lube I use depends on the situation.

For daily use, I like Vaseline Intensive Care white label (or generic equivalent). Look for the one with petrolatum as the second ingredient, after water, and 1% dimethicone (a silicone). The other types (glycerin, stearic acid) aren't nearly as good. Fine lube, slick, AND it cleans up easily with water.

For heavy wide stretching and fisting -- I like Slam Dunk, a mixture of JLube and Crisco. Really heavy duty. Melts at body temp. The one with clove oil is quite good. I think the organic lubricant (Crisco) helps keep the lube in place under intense width stretch. JLube and other water based lubes won't hold up as well. Needs Joy or Dawn for cleanup.

When going deep, after the WIDE stretch, some folks go straight JLube.

Happy Stretching.

Jim Atherton

[Excalibur]

Many Thanks for the information . Wheres the best place to get those from?

[bluesman69]

hey what about olive oil or cooking oil??

[toylover]

And don't forget the good old Crisco, it stays greasy longer than anything I have found so far. Great for toys too

[fistbuddy]

Slam Dunk is doing a decent 'job' .. it's comes sceneted (original > clove oil) or unscented for the perfume sensitive guys. it holds up very well .. and as others wrote before ... J-Lube and/or Crisco :D :cool:
Play safe !

[holeplay]

If your in the UK, Crisco can be expensive. An alternative is TREX from Pura Foods sold in major supermarkets.

From their webpage:

· Trex Pure Vegetable Fat is a top quality baking product which is perfect for making pastry. It has a smooth soft texture and can be used straight from the fridge.

Trex is available in Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Waitrose, and Morrisons stores.

Tip:If you are using a recipe which asks for butter or margarine, then by using Trex you will need 20% less because Trex contains no water.

http://www.pura.co.uk/speciality.asp

[ffqueena]

If your in the UK, Crisco can be expensive. An alternative is TREX from Pura Foods sold in major supermarkets.

From their webpage:

· Trex Pure Vegetable Fat is a top quality baking product which is perfect for making pastry. It has a smooth soft texture and can be used straight from the fridge.

Trex is available in Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Waitrose, and Morrisons stores.

Tip:If you are using a recipe which asks for butter or margarine, then by using Trex you will need 20% less because Trex contains no water.

http://www.pura.co.uk/speciality.asp

I myself use GOYA MANTECA, its Refined Lard, no refrigeration needed. Margarine is better than butter.

[chained]

We used Crisco yesterday for some amazing sex!! Great lubricant, my master put the stuff all over his and mine body and was slippering and gliding all over my bound body! It was great also for the big dildo he wanted in my. My question is how can you clean it up easy?

[HANDBALLER]

Dawn ! works every time for me. I use the antibacterial formula for showering and the regular or oxy version in laundry

[TimMcveigh]

Ingredients -elbow grease
DI Water , Mineral Oil , Petrolatum , Paraffin , PEG-8 , Sorbitan Stearate , Polysorbate-60 , Stearic Acid , Stearyl Alcohol , Ceteareth-20 , Cetyl Alcohol , Lanolin , Borax , Methylparaben , Propylparaben , Imidazolidinyl Urea

Im going to look for maybe a hand lotion cream with similar ingredients any suggestions on products?

[SydFF]

I use a layer of Crisco covered in a layer on normal lubricant (I prefer Wet Stuff). My fist-buddy was the one who introduced me to this combination. Crisco can dry out and lube can sometimes just not go the distance. Combine them and voila!

I'm not a big fan of J-Lube. It's messy and you put some up your ass and as soon as you go vertical it leaks out.

[eighteen]

I always enjoy a mixture of J-Lube, Crisco and piss...might sound kinky, but it works great together ;)

[jch136]

Crisco can be obtained by mail order from www.expectations.co.uk based in London, U.K. hope this helps - only £4.99 last time:)

[xabbu]

Like i told in some other threads - olive oil is one of the best lubricants i know. It's not irritating your bowel, does'nt loose its slippery and its not that messy like crisco, boybutter and the other stuff...

[Fistman]

Just back from the sauna here in Manchester; fisted a guy right up to the elbow and abit further and we just use the free lube in thr packs. He was dry beforehand.

[rubberFF]

That sounds hot fistman.

I'm still working on getting opened, but I like Crisco.

[anllover]

just tried J-lube the other day and WOW i am impressed. VERY slick!

[jlubelover]

I'm not a big fan of J-Lube. It's messy and you put some up your ass and as soon as you go vertical it leaks out.

Depends on how thick you mix it. These days, I mix my J-lube 1 part powder to 8 parts water, by volume, plus another part of a commercial water-based lube. This is a lot thicker than most guys use, but it stays in place after you inject an ounce or so up the bottom's butt.

[anllover]

hell i just dusted my toy with the powder, splinkled a bit of water and put it up my ass.
easy cheesy, ass-a-please me ;)

to each his own i say

[fistbuddy]

"Boy Butter Extreme" is the best so far I must admit .. very economic and it numb's the bttm's ass - try it out and you won't be disappointed ;-)

[jlubelover]

Given that the OP is in the UK, it seems to me that he really needs advice about the best lubes that are readily available in his own country. It's true that J-lube is unique and very good for the purpose, but outside the US it's hard to find and overpriced when you do find it. Even here in Canada, it's somewhat difficult to find and considerably more costly than in the US.

Other replies have suggested aqueous cream, "Trex Pure Vegetable Fat ", and olive oil. I'd add the silicone liquids (i.e. Eros) to the list. There are silicone based fisting goops but the one I tried "Fist" from Mr. B didn't work well enough to warrant the high price.

Also, on EU websites, I've seen something called "Bovivet" that may be the same as J-lube. Surely to heavens farmers in the EU have as much need to stick their arms inside cows as farmers in the US, so there must be a veterinary lube a la J-lube sold for the purpose. Any comments on Bovivet?

Going back to the OP's question, there is no single "best lube". You have to try different ones out and find out by experimentation what you like best. What suits one man doesn't suit another.

[hotmilk]

y not try stp or wd-40

[anllover]

J-Lube lover,
Priape now carries J-Lube ;)

for OP, K-Lube is the EU equal. If you want to try and need source I can find it for you.

[wolf2fist]

when i started i would use astroglide for the small dildoes, but then when my butt started to take bigger dildoes i found it just did not work with astroglide so i jumped to "elbow grease" gel kind and that made it much more easy butt my floor would end up with so much gel and butt juice...so i explored with "elbow grease" cream kind (the crisco version lol) and made me take my dildoes much more easy and faster and it last much longer and no mess on the floor only a nice greased butt hole or should i say mancunt now!

[str8jkt]

I have found out that crisco works great, but tends to get gummy, which leads to having to add more. I actually add baby oil to mine and mix it , which leaves a slick long lasting lube for toys or fisting. Only drawback it that the baby oil is not good for latex, but being that I am in a committed relationship, no need to worry about gloves. Mixing is all preference, try it and let me know what you think.

[jlubelover]

I have found out that crisco works great, but tends to get gummy...

Gummy? Were you using it with gloves? Crisco is a grease and will attack latex gloves. Also, the purple "Safeskin" nitrile gloves have a reputation for getting sticky under some circumstances.

[str8jkt]

Ok, maybe gummy was not the right word. I have noticed that it i have to add water after a bit of play to get that slick feeling back. thats why I like to add baby oil to it.

[spreadeagled]

Doesn't baby oil have a smell -- what about mineral oil -- will that attack latex as well -- no smell!

[kinkypigbt]

I just ordered boy butter extreme how numb does it get your hole? Also i have been fisted but not for as long as i would like any ideas on best positions to take a fist so that i can go longer as well as deeper
any tips are greatly appreciated thanks;)

[HansIndeep]

There is no easy crisco clean up. Wipe up as much as you can with throw away items, same with underpads or drop area covers. Wash with Dawn dish soap, then launder as ususal with cold water first, then hot. Some areas water cleans well with Borax. Do not let it age.
A good layer of crisco can provide hours of hot ass play, adding water based lubes after the ass is really lubed full of Crisco adds slickness. It is well worth the extra clean up effort.

[sextoyslex]

used jlube on last fistee and was the best lube ever not greasy lasted a long time and easy clean up was outstanding over all other lubes i have used

[uffme]

where can you buy jlube in Vancouver

[anllover]

where can you buy jlube in Vancouver

perhaps try Praipe. I use them in Toronto and they stock it. As well the site lists it. good luck and here is your local info from the site priape.com

PRIAPE VANCOUVER
1148, Davie Street
Vancouver, BC
V6E 1N1
Tel: 604.630.2330
Fax: 604.630.2332
vancouver[AT]priape.com
Business Hours:
Sunday to Thurs.: 10am to 10pm
Friday & Saturday: 10am to 23pm

[nycffguy]

i still like Slam Dunk best for fisting ... i order it from FtTroff.

[OneKinkyTOP]

Over the years I have used crisco and always been a fan.

Recently was introduced to j-lube which I like alot last forever and with a spray bottle of water can easily bring it back to the slimy state that works so well. Even had bottoms say they like the feeling of the water on their hole.

I have heard of recipes that blend the 2 or them and other ingredients have yet to try them but will say I find the jlube far easier to clean up that crisco, but agree that Dawn by far is the best for cutting crisco from body and in laundry.

[fistbuddy]

Gents, so here we have it .. 1. Crisco and / or JLube is the way to go ... HOWEVER I experienced Boy Butter EXTREME lately ... and it's the best so far what's out there - but again, the one prefers white wine over red and both are good. It's for sure worth a try for sure!

[open4fun1953]

w, hats the best place in the UK to get serious stuff from eg poppers,E-stim equipment without paying over the odds

[dueman3]

hey what about olive oil or cooking oil??

i think the 1st guy went to the wrist on me used O O but we stropped as it stains everything an you can smell it. crisco,j=lube or slam dunk we use

[domingo196]

QUESTION ON K-Y Jelly: My boyfriend has very small hands (small guy, only 65 kilos) and I am 130 kilos. He LOVES K-Y Jelly for our fisting sessions and we use plenty, but not to the point of having his hands going inn "too easy". I like to enjoy the feeling of his hands going in and out. Can I ask, why is hte use of this lub not reccomended for fisting? Thank you.

[vernfistee]

Actually, I find that Astroglide gel Works the best for me. To each his own.

[rodfist]

Best to use whichever lube suits your own needs. A feature of KY is that it dries after a while. Can be revived with a little water. (e.g. I have a small bowl of water nearby during a session. Just dip my hands in water and when I touch KY already on my sub it becomes "slimy" again for a while.)
My own top prefers to use other lubes because of this issue with KY.

[tomas]

J lubes great but I,ve found some better stuff called K lube, got it on e.bay.
Enjoy Tomas

[FL&MEplayer]

Try Albolene, available in the skin care dept. of many big drug store chains, like
Walgreens and CVS. It was originally developed for removing theatrical makeup and is still used by many for that purpose. But the ingrediants are very similar to those found in Slam Dunk and believe me, I have found that it just NEVER gives up its slipperyness in long hard play. I've been using it for years. The folks who make it don't like it known that it is such a great sex lube, but it is. It is not irritating to the intestines either and cleans up well in the washer with HOT water.

[ffbrmyvr]

Although I’ve been a Crisco fan for over twelve years, I have on occasion tried other products. However, in the end, I always come back to Crisco. It is so readily available, inexpensive, and easy to clean up from (remember – regular tide, only cold water, and long cycle on the washer). Additionally it is made from vegetable oil – so it is some what natural. I know there is an unanswered question regarding the trans-fat content and its health concerns over the long term. Sadly, that question will remain unknown for now. Keep in mind that any petroleum based product, or any product containing a petroleum additive, is certainly an unwise choice. We have to keep our rectums and colons healthy for a very long time. Petroleum products have very negative results over the long term in this regard. I think overall Crisco is as reliable and effective as any one product could be for our needs and wants. That’s this experienced ffbtm’s opinion. Steve in Vancouver.

[owen2032]

Although I’ve been a Crisco fan for over twelve years, I have on occasion tried other products. However, in the end, I always come back to Crisco. It is so readily available, inexpensive, and easy to clean up from (remember – regular tide, only cold water, and long cycle on the washer). Additionally it is made from vegetable oil – so it is some what natural. I know there is an unanswered question regarding the trans-fat content and its health concerns over the long term. Sadly, that question will remain unknown for now. Keep in mind that any petroleum based product, or any product containing a petroleum additive, is certainly an unwise choice. We have to keep our rectums and colons healthy for a very long time. Petroleum products have very negative results over the long term in this regard. I think overall Crisco is as reliable and effective as any one product could be for our needs and wants. That’s this experienced ffbtm’s opinion. Steve in Vancouver.


This is the first time I've ever heard of vaseline and petroleum based products being harmful over the long term.... Where do you get these claims from and can you provide viable links to that claim???? I use vaseline all the time and I love it so i definitely want some solid facts on your claims. If what you say is true then I'm not using it anymore

[uffme]

What is K lube under on e bay i cannot find it

[barrowboys]

I think Steve of Vancouver has got it wrong when he talks about vasoline, Any petroleom based product is only harmful to rubber items as in condoms and DILDOS, Not the colon???

[ffbrmyvr]

It seems that I’ve unintentionally stirred the pot of controversy with my comments about petroleum and petroleum based products as lube for fisting. One member demands I provide a site as reference for my remarks as supportive evidence that what I passed along was, dare I say “scientifically”, substantiated. Sorry to say I’ve not done any such research.

I have a very open honest and forthright relationship with my doctor. My family’s medical history includes a litany of conditions for various colon/intestinal difficulties; I therefore undergo invasive inspections of my own lower gastrointestinal system every six months. This coupled with my propensity for intense fisting activities, and with respect to the changes that have taken place over time with regards the associated tissues; I have had many frank discussions with my doctor about fisting. His recommendations, including what lubes to use and which to avoid, have been among those discussions.

As my doctor is not, to my knowledge, a member here, or a participant in fisting in any regard, I will not provide any identifying information on him. Additionally, I still feel completely confident following his advice. I have to say, that my words have caused some members to think of this issue to a heightened degree; that can only be considered a good thing. Such consideration can only be beneficial to you, and those others you may have conversed with.

Sorry I’m unable to give any supportive medical information (internet sourced or otherwise) beyond the fact that I was advised by a medical professional to avoid petroleum products internally. However, I do see this as an individual decision for each to make for himself. If you wish to continue with your present/past practices, then so be it. It is not my place to pass judgement for or against your choice(s). I was attempting to participate with the best knowledge I had, from my own personal experiences, regarding the topic of conversation at hand. The ruffled feather notwithstanding, no harm was done or intended. Steve in Vancouver.

[owen2032]

Thanks Steve... I couldn't find anything on vaseline and it's harmful effects on the rectum so I'll keep looking but in the meantime I'll keep using it. Could it have been that te doctor recommended that YOU don't use it due to your health issues?

[albano]

I'm using liquid vaseline. And I can say that ther aren't harmful effects. If you will searching some text on the properties of liquid vaselin you can verify this. I prefer the vaseline in the liquid form because for me it is more comfortable than other lubes, for example chrisco.

[owen2032]

I'm finding that J-lube mixed with water and baby oil works VERY WELL!!!

[FurryFFun]

Boy Butter Extreme is 7.5% benzocaine. You can get maximum strength Lanacaine or Vagisil or generic store versions at 20% if you want to mix up your own version of BBX....butt, it'll take 3 tubes of the one-ounce anaesthetic creams added to 5 oz. of Crisco (a bit more than 1/2 cup) to equal the strength of the Boy Butter Extreme. If you want a numb ass, or at least a de-sensitized one, I'd go for the already made up Boy Butter extreme if it's locally available. If not, you can make up your own, but 3 tubes of Lanacaine, Vagisil, etc. will be pretty costly. Or: a 1-oz. tube + 2 oz. Crisco (1/4 cup) would come out about the same as the Boy Butter Extreme--but won't have whatever "extra" ingredients are in BBX.

[ButtyBoy]

I like it when a guy starts with fucking me with a big toy with only just a little KY and then starts fisting me without any extra lube on his hands at all. It works fine for me and it feels very clean.

[ffqueena]

I do like Boy Butter Extreme, but I also get an RX from my DR. for 5% Lanocane and mix it with lube and KY. It works fantastic, using a lube tube and/or siring after you clean out. I can take it past the elbow, big 15" X 41/2" Black TOY and almost all of the Two Headed Dildo that is 30" long.

[aznboySF]

I like Crisco and been using Crisco since the start. The only thing I don't like about Crisco is the Cookie Smell (Odor) and seem like pretty hard to get rid of. Even when washed my clothes with detergent the smell sometime stay. Recently I discover a generic brand from "SafeWay" Super Market brand. Is odorless and cost cheaper then Crisco. Is around $6.95 a can. If anyone know another ordorless brand please do post your finding.

Cheer to all!!!

[FL&MEplayer]

and other big stores like that. Albolene is found in the face/hand cream section and comes in a white round container with blue cover and looks very much like the container for Elbow Grease. Originally developed years ago for removing stage makeup, I have been using it for over 20 years now for VERY deep dildo play and fisting, on myself and others. I and no one I have used it on have ever had a reaction to it and the best thing about it is that it stays endlessly slick and will clean up in the hottest water available in your washer. I love it and I'm sure you will to. Several years ago,the folks who make Albolene did an ad campaign asking people to write in how they use Albolene. I of course wrote in that it was the best sex grease I had ever used; they, of course, did not use my suggestion in any of their ads. Try it!

[knocker]

I have difficulty getting J lube to the crucial places, does anybody know if it can be frozen and inserted as ice cubes, so I can get it well up my hole. does it retain its qualities when it defrosts and Is there any benefit in a mixture with other Lubes.

[kpig]

Knocker, putting anything frozen up your backside is very dangerous it can cause a heart attack.

[knocker]

Kpig,
Thanks for your warning, I'm looking for a way to deliver deeply and thought it might work. Thanks again.

[gibbx]

A while ago I pushed a bunch of frozen mini cream puffs up my ass. My whole bottom ended up frozen. Weird feeling, and quite a bit of blood afterwards.

[bigernie]

hi mate if u go on line and enter hard sex toys u can buy j lube and now k lube which is made for fisting also try aqueaus cream from boots when making up either of j or k lube add some clove oil about 50 drops hope this helps and happy fisting

[hotmilk]

i make my own lube with 1/2 cup crisco and 1/2 cup baby oil . it works well

[FurryFFun]

Here's an article about making your own J-Lube pump to get the stuff in deep (you'll have to scroll down to just about the middle of the article, where there's a photo of the Gear Lube Pump):

http://www.queercastro.com/jluber/index.html

[ff1234]

I've always used original Boy Butter, which is basically coconut oil and hair conditioner mixed together. If you put the words "boy butter" into YouTube, you can see their video advertisements. It doesn't have the odour of crisco, it's easier to clean up (it washes up in water), it doesn't stain and it doesn't rot your toys. I've not used the extreme version (with the numbing agent) because I enjoy the sensations of being fisted. As I live in New Zealand and its not available here, I get it from Eagle Leather in Melbourne, Australia, which have very helpful staff. http://www.eagleleather.com.au/

[AtlantaB]

Here's an article about making your own J-Lube pump to get the stuff in deep (you'll have to scroll down to just about the middle of the article, where there's a photo of the Gear Lube Pump):

http://www.queercastro.com/jluber/index.html

I find that a 100 ml disposable syringe works just fine.
The old ones used to have a conical tip, but now they're flat and they work best if you cut off the long spout.

[raunchy]

We use Crisco or other vegetable shortening whipped up with mineral oil and a few drops of clove oil. We call it Crisco lite.

[crackstuffer]

jlube, klube, Agrigel,crisco,aquereus,boy butter, and special mixture of crisco and clove oil is good.......or try small amount of deep heat,firery jack, and for the more expert player..try fresh ginger root

[Oriun1]

We use Slam Dunk from Fort Troff!!! The best shit out there....you can't go really fast but the smooth creamy texture and the clove oil are great. i may try mixing with something to make it a little more slick so speed can be attained....my hole love's this stuff!

[raunchy]

Instead of buying those commercial products which are not cheap, we just get a big bucket of vegetable shortening, not Crisco because of the odor, and add mineral oil until we get the consitency we want. We also put a few drops of clove oil in it which adds a bit of heat and a nice aroma. You can also add JLube to it if you want it extra slick but we find that the vegetable shortening and mineral oil do the job very well and it's way cheaper than other lubes. Almost forgot, we put it all in our electric mixer with the whisk attachment and let it whip it up so it's smooth and fluffy.

[dvote]

Many Thanks for the information . Wheres the best place to get those from?

You can get Crisco at decent price at http://www.dvote.com/erol.html#1232X1652

[mikegring]

i use aqueous cream from any uk chemist at around £2.50 a tub good value and when using large amounts not to costly:rolleyes:

[ttigerwolff]

Instead of buying those commercial products which are not cheap, we just get a big bucket of vegetable shortening, not Crisco because of the odor, and add mineral oil until we get the consitency we want. We also put a few drops of clove oil in it which adds a bit of heat and a nice aroma. You can also add JLube to it if you want it extra slick but we find that the vegetable shortening and mineral oil do the job very well and it's way cheaper than other lubes. Almost forgot, we put it all in our electric mixer with the whisk attachment and let it whip it up so it's smooth and fluffy.
Hey Raunchy, could you mention some vegtable shortening brands you know of that don't have that 'odour' tendancy to stay in sheets even after a hot wash?

I personally use a bit of Crisco to open with and coat inside and alot of people seem to like to start with the stuff but I think here in the UK at least we've become enamoured with it because of the Dutch & German leather queens convincing us. So great that we don't have to go into Harvey Nichols to get it anymore!
I prefer j lube with Aqueous (another good opener and quite non-offensive), clove oil and maybe a bit of crisco for good measure. It really does depend on how you like your lube but you should have plenty and water should be involved there somewhere. Let's not forget that the bowl is designed to take water out of what ever is inside it, hence why KY jelly is out of the question without extras.

[ldnthierry]

I myself use GOYA MANTECA, its Refined Lard, no refrigeration needed. Margarine is better than butter.

Hi guys,

I've always used Crisco for my arseplay and love stuffing it my chute. I'm taking up the advice found on this forum and we'll be trying Trex bought in my local supermarket.
It's dead cheap compared to Crisco but let's see how it compares. I will keep you posted.

Cheers

[fistmyass]

It say there a warning sign at J lube if you have a leakage in your peritoneal cavity it can cause you illness or even death. when and can we feel there a leakage in our body after fisting?? so does it means J lube not totally safe to use??

[waterwagon]

I think you asked this same thing about J-Lube and the bowels in one of the other forums...J-lube is just as safe or safer than any other lube.....Don't put a hole in your colon...they do not have holes by design or when shipped from the womb! Any leakage from the bowel into the abdominal cavity is a MAJOR PROBLEM...read Hospital and major risk of serious infections....Play safe and sane...no rough stuff!

I have also found most any brand of shortening to not smell like Crisco. They work just as well from my experince (25+years) and they are much nicer if adjusted with a little Mineral oil and maybe some J-Lube at times. I have added a little Vanilla extract for aroma ...but it does slightly darken the lube...but sure beats that Crisco smell...

Jay aka Waterwagon and Maleconetits in Homosassa, fl

[goingthere09]

Anyone heard of, or ever tried K-Lube? I think its kinda new, Its like j-lube but it cleans up easily with water, They also have K-Lube Numbing, its made with clove oil and work Great! I Love the stuff! :rolleyes:

[crackstuffer]

been around for ages klube has..prfer it to jlube..

http://www.pumphouse.me.uk/acatalog/Lubes.html

[fftomcgn]

Prefer K-Lube instead of J-Lube, but as a basi always CRISCO!

[crackstuffer]

banned crisco from playroom...nasty stuff..ruins rubber gear..

[ffqueena]

Prefer K-Lube instead of J-Lube, but as a basi always CRISCO!

I myself rather use WET and/or ID GLIDE together, lasts longer. Not to mention that Big Hands and/or Dildos go in deeper no problem:biggrin:

[AtlantaB]

banned crisco from playroom...nasty stuff..ruins rubber gear..

Definitely agree :)

[jeffr]

You can buy J Lube from the US suppliers at enasco dot com US $ 13.50 per bottle.

If you are in Australia try ezytoys dot comau AUD$25 + postage

[CalFister]

I always enjoy a mixture of J-Lube, Crisco and piss...might sound kinky, but it works great together ;)

I have to agree -- my best fisting sessions start out with a heavy coating of crisco -- packed in deep and smeared on liberally -- then topped off with J-Lube squirted both up the but and all over the top's hands ... and the piss part is more for the fun of it!!
But seriously, I find crisco works well as a base and J-Lube as a topcoat -- far better than either alone

[mike285]

y not try stp or wd-40

WD-40 ???? The gentleman surely jests..no?

The pro I presume would be that the recipient would be squeaky clean after and never rust!!!

The con? Would taste horrible during a post-fist rimming LOL

[popper]

you can get crisco at prowler shop in london cost about £7.50 for 453g tub or yu can get it on there web site, info for there stores/shops is on there web site. (i'v just been told because i've not done enuff post cant give yu the link at this point :angry_smile:

[smokinkicks]

Prefer K-Lube instead of J-Lube, but as a basi always CRISCO!

So I just ordered my first J-Lube, and then I saw this posting on K-Lube. K sounds better, and easier to deal with, and looks like it won't spoil like the J does. Any other reasons I should have purchased K instead?

[AtlantaB]

K lube is granular rather than powdered and as a result is easier to mix for those of our community who have no cooking skills.

[crotchshaver]

putting anything frozen up your backside is very dangerous it can cause a heart attack.

Kpig,

Can you please cite a source for this claim?

I use four to eight frozen plugs of K Lube and/or generic Crisco during each of my stretching sessions and have never had a hint of a problem.

Additionally, I know of several people on this and other forums who advocate frozen lube plugs and yours in the first and only comment I've heard against the use.

Also, from everything I know about physiology, it makes no sense that a frozen plug in the rectum could induce cardiac arrest.

Thanks,
Lonny

[crotchshaver]

I have difficulty getting J lube to the crucial places, does anybody know if it can be frozen and inserted as ice cubes, so I can get it well up my hole. does it retain its qualities when it defrosts

Knocker,

J Lube, K Lube, Crisco and generic vegetable shortening will freeze quite nicely and lubricate just like fresh when it's melted in a couple of minutes by normal body heat. However, KY Warming Liquid will not freeze in a typical residential freezer.

I use an ice tube tray ($3.22 at Wal-Mart, www.icetubetray.com ) to make plugs about 0.75 inch in diameter and about 3.5 inches long. Just don't fill the middle tubes in the form as they are too difficult to extract once frozen.

[AtlantaB]

Yes freezing works for J-Lube and doesn't affect its properties.
I use a large syringe (10 cl) to squirt the J-lube inside. You can get these from veterinary suppliers, lab suppliers, etc. Get the ones with a lueur slip tip, as they have a slightly conical end and can be pushed right up in inside before you press the plunger.

[HansIndeep]

For those that do not want to use frozen lube, butt want to get a lot in the inner action areas see the earlier post:

http://www.gayfisters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=619&page=2

These work!

Hans

[smokinkicks]

K lube is granular rather than powdered and as a result is easier to mix for those of our community who have no cooking skills.

Is cleanup the same? And it looks like K lube lasts ages in its mixed state, but j doesn't?

[AtlantaB]

I really only have experience of J-lube. If you keep it in the fridge it retains all its qualities for at least a month. If you keep it warm and exposed to air J-lube may start to ferment and get bugs in it and everything.
I usually mix up a batch prior to a fisting session and keep half the batch for a later session. I also find that J-Lube survives freezing perfectly well for up to a year.

[crotchshaver]

K Lube won''t spoil and it cleans up easily with no special methods.

[dvote]

K Lube won''t spoil and it cleans up easily with no special methods.

I've been using K Lube for quite a while now and I find it very good and really easy to clean. No need for salt of whatever... I wouldn't go back to J Lube now.

[FurryFFun]

Here's a new lube: clear wire lubricant from home building supply companies. It's used for pulling electrical wire thru conduits, but it's clear, slippery, stable can be used alone or with Crisco....just like J-lube or K-lube. Premixed, it's about $5 a quart; goes a long way. Cleans up with warm water. I got mine at Home Depot; it's made by Klein Tools and is in the electrical wire section. Who knew?

[arseplay]

have to say we are k lube converts to.

Interestingly though; if you mix it up thick) and then leave it in the sun it goes thin.... guess it must be something to do with the UV maybe???

Anywone emse experienced this ? It happens with both k and j lube

[popper]

have to say we are k lube converts to.

Interestingly though; if you mix it up thick) and then leave it in the sun it goes thin.... guess it must be something to do with the UV maybe???

Anywone emse experienced this ? It happens with both k and j lube

dont think it uv, sounds more like getting to hot, like when yu leave butter in a hot place the sun/heat heats it up to a point it goes sloppie.:o

[arseplay]

yes, but it doesn't go think again after - it stays thin ....odd

[popper]

yes, but it doesn't go think again after - it stays thin ....odd
yu tryed adding more poder>powder* if yu make it yur self after its gone fin

[pigboi62]

Try j-lube or better still k-lube.

[FoxHole]

I tried a new lube mix for fisting - 4 parts mixed J lube with 1 part Aqueous Cream. I heard from an Experienced top that the Aqueous cream stops the J lube going stringy... And it does!

I mixed up 2 cups of J lube with 1/2 cup of aqueous cream, and added a few small drops of clove oil (5 - 10 drops).

The effect was quite incredible - I ended up getting punchedfisted and pistoned....! :tongue:

If you omit the clove oil, the J lube/Aqueous cream mix is fine for use with condoms, and cleans up quite quick too.

I'm an addicted convert!!! :biggrin:

[owen2032]

And where can one find this "aqueous cream" in Canada? Does it go by another brand name? if so, what are the most common brand names it goes by and where did you buy yours???? Any links????

Give us something to go on other than " I tried it and it's great!"

[FoxHole]

its most commonly known as "Aqueous Cream" - generally available in largish tubs from your chemist and quite cheap. I asked over the counter for it and was given a plain generic tub. The Clove Oil was near the toothpaste, used for toothache.

this is from the listing for "Aqueous Cream" on wikipedia:
Aqueous Cream is a light, paraffin-based emulsion which is officially registered in the British Pharmacopoeia and categorised by the British National Formulary as a non-proprietary emollient preparation.[1] It is used as a topical, external medicine, emollient moisturiser and general-purpose substitute for toiletries such as soap, shower gel, shaving cream and lip salve.

The common ingredients are:

* liquid paraffin
* white soft paraffin
* purified water
* emulsifying wax containing sodium laurylsulphate
* cetostearyl alcohol
* chlorocresol

It is commonly prescribed for conditions such as eczema, aquagenic pruritus or atopic dermatitis. Whilst undergoing radiotherapy, patients are advised to use aqueous cream as part of a skin care regime to remedy the erythema which is caused by such treatment.

Mixing it 4 parts J lube to 1 part Aqueous cream stops the J lube going stringy.

[owen2032]

Yeah I can google it too... It still doesn't answer my question. Any Canadians familiar with it?

[SuperFist]

I've been using ID glide. http://www.idlube.com/

Sf.

[pigboi62]

Aqueous Cream can be purchased in a Chemist or Pharmacy.

Search this web site for the different type of mixtures of lube.
It's not that hard to do resreach.

[FurryFFun]

Aqueous cream per se is not available in the US. I did find a chemist (pharmacy) in the UK that sells it by mail order (westons.com), but the cost of shipping is way more than the cost of the product. For a 500g jar, the cream is $3.83 US, and the shipping is an additional $11.99 US, for a total of $15.82 US for the 500g jar (a little over a pound).
Interestingly enough, entering "Aqueous Cream" in Google, brings up a sponsored link for Albolene, readily available in most US drugstores, and probably big box retailers as well. You'd have to check the price to see how it compares. The ingredients are NOT the same, but there is some commonality.

[pigboi62]

Last week end I got FFisted, I made up some lube (k-lube and clove oil) & crisco and clove oil.

This was the best mixture I have ever used. My hole got punch FFucked for about 20mins.

WAS AWESOME. I'll keep using this mixture.

[hornymale08]

crisco i hear is great

[lehighpa76]

Big ol' caution for K-Lube -- I used that for the first time about a year ago; I'd bought it from Fort Troff because it was promoted as a cream-style lube that was totally condom safe. I'll tell ya what, that stuff ate out the crotch of my favorite rubber catsuit in relatively short order (maybe a couple hours)! To prove I wasn't crazy, I slathered some on a latex glove and on a latex condom... sure enough, it ate both of them too.

It wasn't a bad lube in general -- not as good as some, better than others -- just treat it as an oil-based lube and keep it away from anything rubber/latex.

(Fort Troff never did revise their description, though I noticed they've taken it off the site recently.)

[AtlantaB]

Interesting that about K Lube.
I tried K lube for the first time last month. I noticed that for the same proportions it makes a slightly thicker mix than J-Lube. For the rest it mixes a bit easier than J-Lube, but is otherwise indistinguishable. Can't see I noticed any damage to the toys afterwards.

[owen2032]

Big ol' caution for K-Lube -- I used that for the first time about a year ago; I'd bought it from Fort Troff because it was promoted as a cream-style lube that was totally condom safe. I'll tell ya what, that stuff ate out the crotch of my favorite rubber catsuit in relatively short order (maybe a couple hours)! To prove I wasn't crazy, I slathered some on a latex glove and on a latex condom... sure enough, it ate both of them too.

It wasn't a bad lube in general -- not as good as some, better than others -- just treat it as an oil-based lube and keep it away from anything rubber/latex.

(Fort Troff never did revise their description, though I noticed they've taken it off the site recently.)

Isn't there a distinct difference between rubber and latex? What's good for latex may not be good for rubber

[3dgreek]

Major fan of boy butter extreme, bit pricey but great. Also get yourself some Johnsons baby oil gel (usual supermarkets) Well good

[lehighpa76]

Isn't there a distinct difference between rubber and latex? What's good for latex may not be good for rubber

Technically, latex is an ingredient in natural rubber; the end product is always called rubber. In reality, the terms are used interchangeably, with thin rubber often being called "latex."

K-lube, as I experienced it, is not safe for use with any kind of rubber/latex/whathaveyou. It would be OK to use with polyurethane, neoprene, PVC and the like. Not sure if it's OK for use with leather -- perhaps it would stain?

[AtlantaB]

There must be some kind of chemical additive in K-Lube that attacks latex. J-Lube as far as I know has no such effect.

[crotchshaver]

I've used K-Lube, never J-Lube, and generic Crisco in my stretching exercises. At first, I used latex condoms over my toys for easier clean-up later, but the rubbers almost always tore or disintegrated, so why bother. I was never able to tell whether it was the K-lube or the vegetable shortening at fault.

None of my toys was affected. However, I have two leather-encased, lead-filled ball stretchers that have a flaky crust I haven't been able to completely get off that I am pretty sure is from the K-lube.

[lehighpa76]

There must be some kind of chemical additive in K-Lube that attacks latex. J-Lube as far as I know has no such effect.

Exactly. J-Lube is perfectly OK, assuming it's not mixed with anything that attacks rubber (most anything oil-based). K-Lube is more than a pre-mixed J-Lube, and not safe for use with rubber.

Besides, J-Lube is awesome on its own... it usually doesn't need help :)

[AtlantaB]

I agree that J-Lube is awesome on its own.
The K-Lube I've had came as a powder that you had to mix.
The only difference that I noticed was that the K-Lube was easier to mix. But apparently it is has fungicides and perhaps latex solvents in it as well.

[sizequeen]

For me KY was, is, and always will be the best. I like things clean.. I don't need much lube anyway ;-)

[threeinone]

got to agree,trex is amazing!! tried loads of other lubes but this is by far the best.

[arseplay]

We are hearing that K Lube is becoming hard to get; our retailer cannot get hold of the manufacturer for some new stock - hope they have not gone out of business!

[furryman]

Has anyone ever used pure coconut oil as a fisting, etc lube before? It's the main ingredient in BoyButter. It's a solid [AT] room temp but melts [AT] about 90 degrees F

My dietitian sister tells me it's so good for the health of colon floura that they are now seeing it talked about as a dietary supplement for IBS, Crone's, etc. so it can't be bad for your colon like crisco can for some (bloating, gas).

[AtlantaB]

Sounds great but is it really true you don't get wind/bloating with coconut oil? And is coconut oil safe with latex?
I've used coconut oil as a skin cream and tanning oil, and asian friends used it on their hair. So thanks for this information!

[furryman]

Coconut oil is still an oil llike olive oil is so it's not latex friendly and wil need soap, etc for clean up.

Many report the wind & bloting uissue w/crisco because it's a processed fat & not friendly to the beneficial floura in your gut. Coconut oil is not only friendly to these beneficial microbes, it contains the types of fats they need to thrive. Of course the research into coconut oil helping your gut is based in you eating it, not directly applying it to your colon :wink:

My main concern about coconut oil as a lube is that I'm not sure it can hold up long enough as a lube. I plan on testing it at my next ff session but that is days away because my usual fistee is out of town.

For those curious, coconut oil doesn't smell like coconuts or impart a coconut taste when cooking with it.

[bobz]

If you want a smoother lube, mix baby oil with vegetable shortening. It really works well and is a great lubricant. Afterwards you will smell like a baby's bottom. Have fun, I do.

[HansIndeep]

Gents,
Coconut oil melts at body temp and becomes too this to be a good lube. Blended with other lubes it may be OK, butt I and others have experienced too much friction when using it.

Friction is not our friend!

Hans

[AtlantaB]

Friction is not our friend

Indeed, now if those Castrol guys could up with something for use at body temperature .... :tongue:

[furryman]

Gents,
Coconut oil melts at body temp and becomes too this to be a good lube. Blended with other lubes it may be OK, butt I and others have experienced too much friction when using it.

Friction is not our friend!

Hans

Thanks Hans! That's the kind of info I was hoping for. As usual, my friends [AT] gayfisters show they truely are the anal experts :wink:

[actionboy]

hi
can i just go back to trex
had an awsom session with a guy never used trex befor but very slipery works well
but afterwards for about 24 hours my guts played havoc rushing to the loo and nasty
has never happened with jlube
IS it the grease coating the bowel that upsets everything so woulod crisco do this
actionboy

[AtlantaB]

Fat in the gut tends to generate gas. That's one of the reasons why you have to fart after eating fries and other fatty foods.
J-Lube is nothing more than polyethylene very finely ground and does not significantly break down in the gut, which is why it does not give you gas.

[holepig]

I make my own lube and it works great.
1 lb of vegetable shortening, 1 cup of mineral oil, 2 tablespoons of lube powder, 10-15 drops of oil of clove, 1/2 to 1 cup of water depending on how thick you like it.
You need a mix master and mix it all on high speed until the oil and shortening emulsifies with the water. it can take 20 mins or so.
You end up with a lot of great fisting lube that keeps well and even freezes well.

[AtlantaB]

What do you mean by lube powder holepig?

[holepig]

sorry i meant "J Lube"

[hrybfyblnd]

Not sure which one of these posts I saw coconut oil recomended. Someone mentioned it was better internally than crisco. So I thought I would check it out and wow! My hole is so happy post fisting. I am a convert. Not really sure if it makes a difference that it is organic but that is what i bought.

[kinkydirk]

Hoi, I always use Amos lube. It's a whater based lube that is used in the veterinarian sector. It is cheap and doesn't destroy the toys and can be used with condoms. Whater based lube can also be used whit electro, but this lube is not good for sounding.

[uffme]

Hoi, I always use Amos lube. It's a whater based lube that is used in the veterinarian sector. It is cheap and doesn't destroy the toys and can be used with condoms. Whater based lube can also be used whit electro, but this lube is not good for sounding.

where do you buy Amos lube and what is it going to london can you buy there for my top fister to use on me

[crotchshaver]

Three questions about Amos lube:

(1) Does it come in a powder that you can mix up to your desired consistency and also mix with other ingredients such as clove oil or benzocaine?

(2) Does it have a preservative that prevents it from spoiling (growing mold), which is a problem with J Lube but not with K Lube?

(3) Does it require anything special to clean it up, such as the salt needed to clean up J Lube?

Thanks,

Lonny

[AtlantaB]

Hiya Dirk

Where do you buy Amoslube? Toys4boys, Gayron or somewhere else?

[pigN2kink]

Weeks ago I had not been able to find my old faithful "Elbow Grease". After moments of looking through a wide arrange of choices I settled upon one with similar ingredients. It was "Gun Oil - Stroke 29" and it worked for my and my big "guy" :biggrin:

[owen2032]

Can you post a link with it's ingredients???

[AtlantaB]

Gun Oil is a proprietary name for a silicon oil lube. :)

And this is my 500th post !

[owen2032]

Funny I never noticed that I'm in SECOND LOL!!!!

Cool. Well guys I hope you have all enjoyed our rants.

[gibbx]

Gun Oil has a Facebook page. Doesn't give the ingredients though.

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Fun to use alone or with a partner!
6 oz jar - approximately 60 applications!!!
Not recommended for use with latex condoms!!!

Unlike Silicone and water-based lubricants, this thick, non-greasy formula provides more than just wet slipperiness. After years of research, there is finally a lubricant that gets better the longer you use it. As the cream heats up from repetitive stroking, the product texture transforms at or around the 29th stroke to simulate the sensation of aroused human tissue. ]


From a different site: [Stroke 29 is skin beneficial with almond oil, Aloe Vera and Vitamin E and is also fragrance and irritant free.]

[AtlantaB]

I'll watch out for it. Be some time before it gets here though I should think.

[barrowboys]

Hi AtlantaB , You know this site is all about Question and answer and information.
Now we are grateful for all your input ( but ) it isnt a race to see who can get to the top of the list of top posters.

[owen2032]

Don't mean to go off topic but I don't think we're posting here for the purpose of gaining a "rep" or numbers..... I am just glad that I can contribute and come to a place that understands my fetish and helps me in exploring it further. Maybe that's why i post so much.

[AtlantaB]

Sorry Barrowboys if I offend.
When I first started posting here about a year ago after getting thrown off fistingforum.com this forum was not very active at all. If nobody posts to break the ice then everybody sits around waiting to see what happens. You need an idiot like me to go on chattering even if I'm not saying much relevant. And anyway who cares about the number of posts, it's not like you're going to get any prizes.
regards
AtlantaB

[kpig]

no prizes :-(

[kpig]

AtlantaB

if you don't mind me asking,why were you thrown off fistingforum.com.Personally I used to go there a bit but really didn't care much for it,They seemed heavily slanted toward the hetero and lesbian communities.

[owen2032]

I'm there too but when it comes to ass fisting, this site is much more informative

[Hole1]

I think it's great that Owen and AtlantaB post alot, it's what keeps the forum going.

[AtlantaB]

AtlantaB

if you don't mind me asking,why were you thrown off fistingforum.com.Personally I used to go there a bit but really didn't care much for it,They seemed heavily slanted toward the hetero and lesbian communities.

I joined the forum when it was in its early stages and contributed quite a lot about fisting, technique, lube and so on. I was asked to be a moderator and I helped build up the forum for about 6 months.

We were getting a lot of questions about poppers and about other drugs and so I decided to make a drugs faq after consulting with the admin.

I did and all hell broke loose. The other mods said they hadn't been consulted, although I had preannounced it. Also the faq was allegedly too pro-drugs, although the information was relevant and impartial. I was suspended from being a mod and accused being a drama queen.

I then changed my signature line to drama queen and was thrown off.
Although the forum was fun at first, I didn't care for the posting competition, which was aimed at pushing up the numbers of posts in order to attract advertising revenue.

Anyway this thread's wandering far off topic as it's really about lube. Mods help please!

[owen2032]

OK last post about this I promise.

Atlanta, I made this post on the forum you mentioned.

Here is the link and what was discussed.

http://www.fistforum.com/index.php?topic=7545.15
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OK so Tatersauce got banned. That is between him and the Admins.... As for those that left. It was their decision to leave. No one told them they were not wanted or welcome here. They interpreted the responses to their comments as only THEY could. If that means leaving then that's their choice and their problem. Truth be told, I'm not going to leave a forum just because I was challenged by a bunch of people. My skin is a bit thicker than that Wink

Karma points don't mean you're smarter than anyone else. Nor does it mean your word is the ONLY word. It's a forum for Christ's sake
--------------------------------------------------------------

Looks like there are quite a few there with a serious pickle up their asses. Seems like Karma points are what drives the competition there. Guys let's NEVER make that the issue here. Post if you want and if you don't, well then, DON'T ;)

Cheers!

[kpig]

AtlantaB

Well staying off topic,I quit going there when I was jumped on by several people when responding to a post.Some guy there posted a question concerning his inability to find a woman who would fist him and he had reached the point where he would be willing to let a gay man fist him but would not allow any contact other than that required to get a fist up the ass, none, absolutely no reciprocation.He was very adamant about not being gay to the point he mentioned it several times in his post.

So I politely pointed out that finding a experienced gay top willing to accept those preconditions might not be that much easier of a task,and suggested that it was somewhat of a thin mental distinction if you believe that having a mans hand up your ass isn't gay but somehow a mans cock in your mouth is .So I told him it might be more fruitful if you drop the preconditions and try it, just enjoy the experience and don't worry about being gay.

[AtlantaB]

[AT]Owen
Tatersauce sounded like fun. Was it a he or a she?
The guys who run fisting forum also run various other sex related forums and sites.
They don't like expressions of individuality.
There is also quite a lot of pressure to exhibit yourself on that forum. Note that speedvogel (a nice middle-aged man) declined a request to post a picture of himself.
[AT]kpig: I never understood this attitude quite honestly. I'm bisexual, but the idea of letting a guy fist you without doing him a little service in return sounds like ingratitude.
I noticed you guys posted under the same moniker on that forum. You can find my posts (the ones that are still on) under grimalkin.

The concern about J-Lube expressed in that thread would apply to any other lube as far as I can see. I have my doubts about the information on anus.org. The tip there (on anus.org) about putting hydrogen peroxide in J-Lube is preposterous. I tried it and it turns the J-Lube back to water.

[kinkydirk]

Hello, I don't know if you can by Amos lube in London. The product comes from the Netherlands. In Antwerp you can by it in the Fetish shop.

Dirk

[kinkydirk]

Hello,

1)no it is a liquid product, you can by it in 1/2 liter, 1 liter or 5 liter.
2) I don't understand this question, sorry I'm not used to write English.
3) no, you can clean it just by water, verry easy.

Dirk

[kinkydirk]

Hi, toys4 boys

[jeffr]

Check out the listing on eBay - there is a seller based in Sydney Australia called twistedslampunk666.

Listed are


Stroke 29
K-creme Personal Lubricant
K-Lube Original Personal Lubricant Powder
K-Lube Fresh Personal Lubricant Powder
K-creme Personal Lubricant
Boy Butter H2O Lubricant
Bike Jockstrap yellow size L
Rubber clothing

[AtlantaB]

Hi, toys4 boys

Thanx Dirk. That's where I go too!

[vasm]

Hi there
KY dries out really quickly.
We use a product called K-Lube. It comes from the UK. Unfortunately it has become hard to get here in Canada.

We have heard rumours it has been discontinued. Does anyone know if this is true?

Co-Moderators Vancouver HandyMan
vasm[AT]shaw.ca

[Eddieff]

Yes, they've suddenly stopped making k-lube, without explanation.
The slightly inferior J-lube is the only alternative.
My preference is still Trex (in UK), or Crisco (US equivalent) for toys. J-lube can great for fisting from time to time.
Ed

[crotchshaver]

I also liked K-lube, but the maker, Kirklees Lab and its retailer, Pumphouse.com, are no longer filling orders, shipping orders, responding to customer's e-mail inquiries about their unshipped orders, answering their telephone or returning their customer's voice mail inquiries about their unshipped orders. However, as of January when I placed an order for nearly $300 worth of K-lube mix, ball stretchers and a dildo, Pumphouse is billing people's credit cards as soon as an order is placed online. Six months after I placed toe order, I still haven't heard from Pumphouse. Fortunately, my credit card company reversed the charge.

[AtlantaB]

According to my sources (Toys4Boys) the suppliers went broke.

[zppe]

Crisco is a personal favorite here but K-lube works too

[crotchshaver]

Generic crisco, aka vegetable shortening, is less expensive, lacks the odor and doesn't go rancid after it's been opened.

[bobz]

I use vegetable shortening and a baby oil mix. It works well and smells like a new babies bottom.

[CUMDRAINER4U]

Has anyone had a reaction of any kind to j-lube I tried it a couple of times and always had cramps and Diarreah after wards I have not tried crisco

[owen2032]

Was it a fresh batch??? Jlueb tends to go bad after a few days..... Although I keep mine weeks on end and it seems to be fine.

[barrowboys]

Yes . I've heard from several friends that it becomes an irritant after a few days,
I dont use it , I prefer E45 with a little olive oil mixed in . It also leaves your arse like silk .

[uffme]

what is e45 and how much do you mix

[barrowboys]

E45 is a medical cream (very mild) but for dry skin ,its a moisterizer and very good . as far as mixing just enough olive oil to keep its density.

[barrowboys]

It should be available in Canada over the counter in a pharmacy. Try it you will be surprised

[DNVRboi]

There's a homemade slam dunk recipe floating around that's excellent. I don't remember the exact quantities, but it's basically whip crisco and j-lube in a mixer. Add a bit of mineral oil and clove oil.

I like to add a bottle of generic anbesol (benzocaine) liquid. Sort of like boy butter extreme.

I also like using plain lard as well.

[ich1]

How do you clean inside after using lard? Soap? Any particular kind?

[DNVRboi]

How do you clean inside after using lard? Soap? Any particular kind?

I just use dish soap. Cleans up easier than Crisco.

[uffme]

Hi coming to London anyone tell if you can get K lube and where or any good lube for fisting

[AtlantaB]

The people who make K-Lube have gone out of business Uff-me.
You might be able to find a store which has some old stocks of K-Lube but I wouldn't bet on it.
Enjoy yourself in London and happy fisting!

[popper]

They tend to have all types of lube and poppers.

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[holepig]

My recipe for homemade lube is as follows:
1 cup mineral oil
1 cup crisco or 1 lb
2 tablespoons j lube
1/2 cup of water (depending on the viscosity you like)
10 drops oil of cloves
Mix all together in a mix master as it will take time to emulsify the oil and water.

for cleanup I use a little of New Dawn dish soap, Dettol (disinfectant from drugstore) and salt. Put in a spray bottle and fill up with water. The New dawn cleans the grease, the salt cleans the j lube and the Dettol disinfects everything. By spraying you can clean your chains, sling, floor much easier as well

[arseplay]

K Lube is no longer available - unless you can find somewhere that has some old stock - which is unlikely. It was excellent for FF play, but the company went under last year.

Lots of sex shops in London ; most have websites; google RoB, Expectations, Clone Zone, Regulation.

[owen2032]

OK so now that we're sure it's no longer available.

Moving forward:
What were the main ingredients in K-Lube? it can;t be that hard to figure it out. Anyone know?

[OakParkJJ]

Has anyone tried F Lube from Fort Troff?

[bobz]

I use a mixture of vegetable shortening and baby oil. It is very smooth, slippery and stays lubicrative for a long time.

[crotchshaver]

What were the main ingredients in K-Lube? it can;t be that hard to figure it out. Anyone know?

I still have an original K-lube bottle, which list the ingredients as
Polyethylene Oxide
Propylparaben
Methylparaben

The ingredients listed for J-lube are:
Polyethylene polymer 25%
Dispersing agent 75%

Has anyone tried F Lube from Fort Troff?

I have mixed a batch of F-lube but have not tried it yet. It looked thinner than I was aiming for and had some clumps in it. It lists its ingredients as:
Polyethylene Oxide resins
Maltodextrin
Potassium sorbate

Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is a polyether compound with many applications from industrial manufacturing to medicine. It has also been known as polyethylene oxide (PEO) or polyoxyethylene (POE), depending on its molecular weight, and under the tradename Carbowax. Polyethylene glycol has a low toxicity and is used in a variety of products.

Interestingly, it is the basis of a number of laxatives (e.g., macrogol-containing products such as Movicol and polyethylene glycol 3350, or SoftLax, MiraLAX or GlycoLax). It is the basis of many skin creams, as cetomacrogol, and sexual lubricants, frequently combined with glycerin. Whole bowel irrigation (polyethylene glycol with added electrolytes) is used for bowel preparation before surgery or colonoscopy and drug overdoses. It is sold under the brand names GoLYTELY, NuLytely, GlycoLax, Fortrans, TriLyte, Colyte, Halflytely, MiraLAX, Softlax, ClearLax and MoviPrep.


Maltodextrin is a polysaccharide that is used as a food additive. It is produced from starch by partial hydrolysis and is usually found as a creamy-white hygroscopic spraydried powder. Maltodextrin is easily digestible, being absorbed as rapidly as glucose, and might be either moderately sweet or almost flavorless. It is commonly used for the production of natural sodas and candy.

Potassium sorbate is the potassium salt of sorbic acid. Its primary use is as a food preservative. Potassium sorbate is effective in a variety of applications including food, wine, and personal care.

Propylparaben, the propyl ester of p-hydroxybenzoic acid, occurs as a natural substance found in many plants and some insects, although it is manufactured synthetically for use in cosmetics, pharmaceuticals and foods. It is a preservative typically found in many water-based cosmetics, such as creams, lotions, shampoos and bath products.

Methylparaben is an anti-fungal agent often used in a variety of cosmetics and personal care products. It is also used as a food preservative.

[OakParkJJ]

I use a mixture of vegetable shortening and baby oil. It is very smooth, slippery and stays lubicrative for a long time.
What are the proportions in your mixture? How long will it keep?

[torotoro215]

I agree with those who advocate Crisco. Yes, it is greasy but for viscosity and price you cannot find a better bargin.
I use it with my dildos, some of which are very large, and it works great.
Sometimes, a greasy, sloppy hole is very gratifying.
T

[AtlantaB]

Crisco is eventually going to rot your dildos though.

[owen2032]

Is there an oil based lube that doesn't?

[AtlantaB]

Silicon oil (Pjur, Eros, Gun Oil etc.) will not affect most rubbers or plastics, but it will slowly damage toys made of silicon rubber.

[crotchshaver]

It's important to understand that there's a difference between petroleum-based lubes -- such as Vaseline, generic petroleum jelly and mineral oil -- and (vegetable) oil-based lubes -- such as Crisco and generic vegetable shortening. The former can break down dildos made of rubber, vinyl and latex because they're all made from the same basic chemicals.

[owen2032]

Can you elaborate on that crotch????

Are you saying that vegetable based lubes will NOT harm rubber and latex made dildos?

I've never heard of this claim anywhere but if it's true then I'll use more vegetable and non petroleum based lubes.

[crotchshaver]

I can't say that shortening-based lubes won't hurt rubber toys because I don't know that for a fact and I don't have enough personal experience with mixing the two.

I'm just saying that I know enough about chemistry and physics to know that motor oil and corn oil are not chemically similar and that the reason that petroleum-based lubes break down rubber toys and that silicone-based lubes eventually degrade silicone toys is because they ARE chemically similar.

[owen2032]

Well you just opened a whole new can of worms. Now the question is:

If petroleum based lubes break down rubber, latex, vinyl etc... toys, then do Vegetable based lubes break them down as well and if so, by how much???

And if Vegetable oil based lubes do break down toys then is it to a lesser extent than petroleum based oil lubes?

[crotchshaver]

Decades ago, the most common lube for anal sex was Vaseline petroleum jelly. Then came the AIDS crisis, then someone showed latex condoms could stop transmission of HIV, then guys noticed that condoms were ripping open during anal sex. Someone tested to find out why, discovered petroleum jelly was dissolving the latex in "rubbers" because they're both petroleum-based products and so Vaseline is a solvent for latex.

So the word went forth in the gay community in the mid-to-late '80s not to use petroleum-based lubes with latex condoms when you're having mansex, but to use water-based lubes such as K-Y Jelly, a readily available personal lubricant, which caused it to become common as a lube among gay men.

The lubricating ingredient in K-Y Jelly is glycerine, which is water soluble and a basic building block, along with three fatty acids, of triglycerides, the main ingredient of vegetable oil and animal fat.

My educated guess is that, over the years, people began to shorten the warning against "petroleum-based" lubes to "oil-based" lubes. Since Crisco brand vegetable shortening was and still is a popular fisting lube, and since Crisco has a line of vegetable oil for cooking, I think that many people mistakenly thought the warning against using "oil-based" lubes on latex "rubbers" applied equally to rubber dildos and other toys and included lubes associated with the word "oil," such as vegetable oil, vegetable shortening and Crisco.

I have used Crisco and other generic brand vegetable shortening on most, but not all, of my toys. Only 2 out of about 25 toys have broken or suffered any major breakdown. Both of those that broke are made of rubber. One of them is a new plug that I've used exactly two times. Both times I used K-lube on it and no Crisco or generic vegetable shortening, and I know this for certain because I just looked at the video I shot to see what lube I used on it back then. So I know for an absolute certainty that the lube was no factor in its tear.

The other toy that broke is a flat-based dildo that I clamped to a surface so I could sit on it and ride it because it lacked a suction cup base. The jaw of the clamp left a deep indentation in the base of the balls, and the crack originated there and spread until eventually, the balls fell off. So again, I know for a fact that the lube I used on it (and unfortunately, I was never able to take that toy to the base anyway, so the generic crisco never got down that far) had no role in its breakage, either.

I have only been using Crisco and generic vegetable shortening as a lube on toys for about 2 years. Three of my toys I have used with it are about 15 years old and the rest were acquired during the past 2-3 years. I generally, but not always, wash them off with Dawn as I shower after playing with them. On occasion, I have left with shortening on them for several days before I had time to clean them. None has ever shown any degradation that I could associate with the lube I used on them. Indeed, the only other degradation I have experienced was from color transfer between black and flesh-colored toys stored in contact with each other and from dimples left in toys that I put in the dishwasher.

So I have no evidence, empirical or anecdotal, that using Crisco or other vegetable shortening or their related cooking oils will break down rubber toys or latex condoms. If anyone does have such evidence, I would be delighted to hear about it.

[owen2032]

Excellent read thanks Crotch!!!! :)

[AtlantaB]

Hey Crotch that's a good post, but to be honest I thought that latex was in fact of vegetable origin. Natural rubber is collected from trees and then treated in all kinds of ways to make a variety of products.
I know that there are synthetic rubbers as well, the word buna comes to mind ... But are condoms synthetic rubber or latex, or perhaps both ...

[crotchshaver]

Atlanta,

I've done some quick research into condoms and found that condoms are made from both natural (latex) and synthetic (polyurethane andpolyisoprene) materials. I found a guides on condom usage from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health that DOES include vegetable oil, butter and margarine along with other petroleum-based lubes such as mineral oil and petroleum jelly as lube that should not be used on latex condoms. It specifically says to use water-based lubes such as glycerin with latex.

I'm out of town now and will try to do more research when I can.

[AtlantaB]

Thank you for your trouble Crotch, that's very interesting.
Glycerine is the hydrated form of glycerol and can be absorbed by the bowel.
I guess the plastic doodads are all right to use with vegetable fats then.
Thanks again!

[AtlantaB]

News from the lube front.

Sledge Hammer Fierce Relaxation is supposed to be better than J-Lube.
It will soon be available in Europe too.
http://www.sledgehammerlubes.com/images/pmfrlg.jpg

website: http://www.sledgehammerlubes.com

[crotchshaver]

I'm going to enjoy checking out all these pages on Sledge Hammer's website when I have time to read them all, thanks.

[uffme]

hi can you buy in vancouver bc

[arseplay]

Look forward to it coming to Europe - there must be someone on here who has tried it... a review would be welcome !

[owen2032]

funny thing is, you can get j lube for wayyy cheaper, add some benzocaine and some clove oil and you basically have the same thing.

[AtlantaB]

For all you European buttonauts I saw the announcement here

http://www.toys4boysleather.com/

[crotchshaver]

Sledge Hammer is the same company that is making F-Lube for Fort Troff. The first batch of F-Lube I made according to the directions for a thick mix was too thin for my use pouring on toys, so I made frozen lube tubes with it. The second batch I used double the amount of powder for 16 ounces of water and it is much closer to what I'm looking for, but not quite as viscous as I would like. I have not had a chance to field test it.

[crotchshaver]

Got an e-mail Friday from Fort Troff touting its new products, and among them are two varieties of Sledgehammer powdered lube mix and a cleaner.

[owen2032]

Well folks I just came back from a trip to the U.S. and I gots myself a tub of Albolene and holy fuck is it ever slick!!!! I love spreading it on my ass and in my hole as it leaves all my toys super slippery and ready to just sliiiiiide in :)

I'm a huge believer and fan of Albolene and will pick it up any chance I get

Cheers all :)

[crotchshaver]

Well folks I just came back from a trip to the U.S. and I gots myself a tub of Albolene and holy fuck is it ever slick!!!!

From what I've read online, Abolene is very similar chemically to the Ponds cold cream that my mother used to remove her makeup at night. That cold cream was the very first lubricant I used when I learned to masturbate as a young teenager.

[AtlantaB]

From what I've read online, Abolene is very similar chemically to the Ponds cold cream that my mother used to remove her makeup at night. That cold cream was the very first lubricant I used when I learned to masturbate as a young teenager.

That's right. I used to sneak a dab of Pond's out of the bathroom on a piece of toilet paper before taking myself off to bed. Great wanking cream indeed!
It was indeed terrible cold, though that did quickly pass.

[talcor]

is there any one out there that uses a soap as a lub and what what soaps, bar or liq

[crotchshaver]

Although slick, soap is an irritant to the rectum and causes the colon to purge its contents. That's why it's sometimes used as an additive to enema water and why it's not a popular lube for ass play.

[owen2032]

I checked the ingredients for Pond's and it is nowhere near anything like what Albolene has in it. I see it this way... The simpler the ingredient list is, the less "crap" it has in it. Albolene seems to have less crap in it than Pond's

[crotchshaver]

I see it this way... The simpler the ingredient list is, the less "crap" it has in it.

Agreed!

[max5555]

new to this what about pure silicone lube

[owen2032]

Silicone lube is by far THE BEST lube to use but VERY expensive.

[AtlantaB]

Silicone lube is great. It's main advantage is that it doesn't dry out.
It can damage the surface of silicone toys though, and it stains, so play on an easily washed surface.
For play sessions I like to use both J-lube and silicone oil. Buying a litre is much cheaper than buying small quantities. There are some on-line suppliers that offer good discounts.

[mjax41]

I prefer good quality silicone lube. As long as it palitable. I love to eat the ass I'm fisting as well.

[greazy1952]

I've found that if i blend crisco with baby oil it makes a terrific lube...then J Lube inserted deeply adds to the ability to go both wide and very deep

[Brosnan]

anyone tried coconut oil....?
Love to hear any comments

[looseassguy]

I have used Virgin Coconut oil with my toys and also with a little clove oil mixed in. I have not tried it with fisting.
It has some anti bacterial and anti viral properties that may also be of benefit during sexual activities.
It does tend to absorb fast. When it's cold and quite hard I like to put a big ball of it up my hole and wait for it to melt. hehe.

[Fistingmike]

I found a product at Home Depot. It's wire pull lube, and is safe for humans. A big bottle is only $5. It's water based, so clean up is easy. Very little reapplication is required during use. I've used Crisco in the past, but clean up is a bitch. This pic is using Crisco.

[bigstretch]

I THINK ELBOW GREASE IS GREAT. Any complaints about that?

[smokinkicks]

Huge fan of Elbow Grease, but it gets very expensive with the amount I use.....
I stick to crisco despite tough clean up, and I dabble with J-lube but hate having to mix it, plus it is very stringy and tends to come out of the bottle all at once. Interesting find with the wire pull lube. I'll have to check that out to see if it really is safe to use back there.

[AtlantaB]

Sorry to hear that you have trouble mixing J-Lube SmokinKicks
I mix it in half liter batches using sparkling (mineral/spring) water.
40 cc is enough for half a liter.
Measure out the powder first
place all the powder in a high-sided mixing container
Pour a third of your water on (Perrier works fine)
Mix with a handheld electric mixer.
It will turn into a single thick mass.
Add a third more water.
Continue to mix.
When the consistency is even add the rest of your water.
Mix again.
It will have lots of air bubbles in.
Pour the mix into a clean flat bowl to let the bubbles come out.
You can speed this up by heating the mix in the bowl in a microwave oven.
No more than 2 minutes though, as otherwise it will boil and you will have a mess.
After standing use a funnel to pour the mix into a cook's squeezy bottle.
Use straight from the squeezy bottle.

I use aerated water because it helps with dispersion.
Always add the water to the powder, not the other way round.
If you put the powder into the water it will make a lump that you can't break up.

[artsandfarts]

Thanks for the useful advice AtlantaB given that I do all that as you say above - I have also just managed to locate some jojoba oil & clove oil to add. what quantity of each do you think I should mix in. I've never use either of these oils before but I did put some clove oil on my dick today with interesting warm results ;-) I don't want to scald my arse but warmed could be nice ! Anyone else here from cape town ?:biggrin:

[crotchshaver]

Clove oil is added for its anesthetic property, so you want to use it on your HOLE not your COCK. It's a natural or home remedy for teething babies, for instance.

I generally add one drop of clove oil for each ounce of water I use to mix my J-lube or xanthan gum lube.

As for the jojoba oil, I've only tried it once, straight, inserting 2 ounces directly into my hole using the MixMizer.

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcoYUTLqQzShPfVxdcw9o4q8el5csdj 1TXky3dR4Jr0-5DwfA-

[arseplay]

Well we have just acquired both oils.... can't wait to try and will report back!

[AtlantaB]

Thanks for the useful advice AtlantaB given that I do all that as you say above - I have also just managed to locate some jojoba oil & clove oil to add. what quantity of each do you think I should mix in. I've never use either of these oils before but I did put some clove oil on my dick today with interesting warm results ;-) I don't want to scald my arse but warmed could be nice ! Anyone else here from cape town ?:biggrin:

I've been experimenting with jojoba oil and I can report that it does indeed seem to have the ability to relax muscle significantly. However, it is not very slippery. You have to combine it with a suitable lubricant.
Personally I wouldn't bother with the clove oil. You need to know what's going on and after all it's all about feeling isn't it?